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Entrapment Tactics
by Mr. Wollmann
"You have a worthless charter given that you chose to made your group
unmoderated. I think you set it up to attempt to kill accounts and that
it should be rmgrouped as a trap and public nuisiance." Rebecca Ore,
respected n.a.n.a.u veteran
Edmond Wollmann sent a control message and a charter for a newsgroup
called alt.astrology.metapsych. Unfortunately, despite being advised otherwise
by Usenet veterans, Mr. Wollmann failed to make the newsgroup moderated.
It was created in the alt hierarchy, which traditionally and rightfully
enjoys a more anarchic spirit than "Big 8" newsgroups. However, it soon
became clear that Wollmann had created a newsgroup for a single purpose:
to use as a private chat room for potential clients. The charter for a.a.m.
was unduly restrictive, using the language and rules that only moderated
newsgroups should have. Anyone not confining themselves to the narrow strictures
of Wollmann's charter quickly found themselves on the wrong end of a complaint.
The charter went so far as to forbid dissenting views!!
Perhaps the most devious tactic occured when Wollmann would set followups
in provocative Usenet posts to 'metapsych, and when an unwary poster responded
and unwittingly ended up with his/her message in the unintended group;
you guessed it: Wollmann would send a complaint of charter violation. He
even admitted to this tactic at one point, urging other astrologers to
adopt the same practice so that they could intimidate and entrap skeptics,
"spinics", and others critical of astrology. Complaints were then sent,
accounts were threatened, and Wollmann would push his sham charter to ensure
*his* newsgroup was kept clear for his own purposes.
Mr. Wollmann has made it very clear in the past that he wants the USENET
posters that he calls "spinics" to post to his pet newsgroup, alt.astrology.metapsych,
so that he can send complaints about them. It is important to note that
Wollmann also used this entrapment technique to have followups set to "poster"
so responses were emailed to his own account, where he would then
disingenuously complain to the hapless sender's ISP of harassment. He used
it again to have email followups sent to another Earthlink member's account
with a similar sign-on name, resulting in over 30 unwanted emails received
by the member. This resulted in action
by Earthlink for Mr. Wollmann's tactics.
The authors of this page and many experienced Admins feel that Usenet,
especially the unmoderated alt hierarchy, is a public medium meant for
free discussion, and that no one person can "own" a newsgroup. Newsgroups
set up as moderated certainly operate differently, and also typically become
much drier, less viable gathering places, censored, as they are, by one
or more "overseers".
Concerned Usenet denizens created a more viable charter fror a.a.m;
one that took into account the groups' status as an unmoderated alt group,
and allowed for more freedom of discussion, and which also solved the "entrapment"
tactic Wollmann used. The updated charter was discussed in alt. config,
and officially placed in the ftp.isc.org database. More than one ISP has
made a decision to recognize the more level-headed updated charter, while
another decided, in Solomonic fashion, that with two competing charters,
they would consider the group just as they would any group without
a charter. This hasn't actually stopped Wollmann from sending complaints,
however, he refuses to recognize the improved charter, prefering instead
to send voluminous complaints based on the old, outdated one. Once you
know how Ed Wollmann operates, andhow he wields his charter for selfish
purposes, we trust you will give his complaints about 'metapsych charter
violations only the credibility they are due.
See the updated and superceding alt.astrology.metapsych
charter
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Mr. Wollmann appears to claim that alt.astrology.metapsych is his
group Full post
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Mr. Wollmann asks others to post to 'metapsych so that complaints can be
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From: "Edmond H. Wollmann" <arcturian1@netscape.net>
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Subject: Kevin Burnette trying to drive posting in aam
Re: Sun Sign,
Moon & Ascendant
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Kevin Burnett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:10:48 GMT, Rhianna <rhianna@pipeline.com>
blathered:
> >On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:58:35 -0700, "Edmond H. Wollmann"
> ><arcturian1@netscape.net> wrote:
> >>If you really wish to discuss astrology, please continue
to tell me
> >>about your own chart, where's your Mercury?
> >>--
> > What are you trying to do? Pinpoint the exact hospital
where
> >I was born? *Hahaha...it's a joke* *Smile*
> >
> > My Mercury is in Aries
> >
> > My Mars is in Aries too
> >
> > I have a conjunction between Mercury and Mars
> > I was born on the cusp of Pisces, I have Aries tendancies.
> >
>
> Rhianna, if you want to engage in real talk about astrology,
killfile
> Edmond Wollmann, and just about everyone who replies
to him (including me).
>
> Better yet, look up the newsgroup alt.astrology.moderated
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 1999 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
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From: ewollmann@aol.com (EWollmann)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.astrology.no-skeptics
Date: 19 Sep 1997 00:00:00 GMT
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>From: dlynns@primenetx.com (Lynn)
>Date: 19 Sep 1997 08:28:00 -0700
>Message-id: <5vu5m0$42j@nntp02.primenet.com>
>"You people"?
Yes, astrologers in general are pretty gullible. You and
others keep
arguing the the alt.astrology.metapsych charter isn't
applying itself!
Thats like saying "I have lots of money but I never pay
my bills, therefore
money is useless". You have to apply the charter-but
at least there you
have one to apply.
> Shouting?
I have stated 100 times, when I have a server that doesn't
have italics
capability I use caps-I am not shouting.
> I didn't shout at you.
Defensive-I didn't say you were. And even IF I was its
irrelevent. You
need to remove your emotions from argument-this is what
trips you up and
cynics know this.
> You're sounding a
>little hysterical,
This is your perception and has little to do with-or any
accurate
information about my present state. Actually it tells
us more of you than
me since you can't POSSIBLY know that with any real accuracy.
> speaking of falling for "cynic troll-bait". I'm
>not the enemy here, I happen to disagree.
I didn't say you were an enemy-you are simply not informed-and
like cynics
in that way are not CAPABLE of arguing points you are
ignorant of. Charters
(like Mr. Ellis said over and over had you actually read
our interactions)
are far more effective in thwarting unwanted posts than
are FAQs written
AFTER the fact.
> I disagree for one thing
>that "we people" are incapable of organization.
If you were you would have copied my logical arguments
and recognized that
that killed the cynics arguments from square one and
either used that or
ignored them. If you all were and really wanted relief
from cynics you
would strengthen alt.astrology.metapsych by posting there
and using the
charter to complain to the servers of those who violate
it-PUBLIC
NEWSGROUPS DO NOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.
I was simply replying to CYNICS to demonstrate that they
had no VALID
arguments and therefore were and could not be SKEPTICS-
I am a skeptic-they
are cynics, and anyone who is truly skeptical will come
here with HUMILITY
asking questions and probing for info to MAKE a decision
about the truth of
astrology for themselves-NOT attacking with preconcieved
notions and
bias-THAT is cynicism, not skepticism. Newbies simply
need this pointed out
one way or another-make a page then listing the cynic
regulars and their
agendas so the newbies or whoever not familiar with their
tactics are
informed-thats all.
>You say killfiling ability can only come from a reader.
Exactly my
>point. The charter of alt.astrology.metapsych does not
appear to be
>having the effect you claim for it.
Oh Jesus (sigh) I repeat, money does not pay bills PEOPLE
do and charters
do not stop out of integrity cynics PEOPLE WITH CHARTERS
DO. Wake up! And
you say you are not gullible! Why is ANYTHING I DO OR
SAY responsible for
what goes on there??? It is the PEOPLE that make the
group what it is. All
I was responsible for was GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
SOMETHING ELSE WITH
A NEW CHARTER. The rest is up to those who SAY they want
to discuss
astrology in a somewhat open forum to allow new people
to join in without
having NO DEFENSE against those who wish to thwart it.
>As for being a "whiner" who can't grab hold of your "branch",
sorry, I
>tried resubscribing to alt.astrology.metapsych but saw
the same
>flamewars starting over there.
Good thing when the civil war broke out the president
didn't say "well we
tried a country of the people we give up! lets just forget
it, theres no
way it will ever work!" Ever heard of diligent application?
Then go there and post non-flame wars. More whining.
> It couldn't be because you've moved,
>could it?
??What I do is irrelevent, what does this have to do with
anything? I
haven't posted to either for quite awhile-when are you
going to get it?
People make things happen, take responsibility for your
reality and stop
blaming everything outside of you.
> Now you're trying to start a flamewar with me.
Nonsense, you are just whining and I am telling it like
it is, if you wish
to change the reality of things get off what others do
and take concise,
positive and constructive action.
> You're
>overwrought. I mean that with kindness.
You are speculating, being derisive and simply trying
to defend your own
inaction-thats twice now you use an emotive ad hominem
defective fallacy to
try to argue against facts you can't refute. I run 10
miles a week, work
out with freeweights twice a week (meaning I am NOT overwrought,
I am the
most healthy and confident and balanced I have ever been
in my life) and
have so many opportunites for work and other things right
now I cannot work
hard enough. I am balanced and unconcerned with anything
but informing
this group of their REALISTIC OPTIONS. Anyone who knows
me personally knows
that this is just hype and bull.
> You're too into this.
More ad hominem speculation to demean. You are speculating
and too
arrogant and confident of your "diagnoses." I posted
the facts now deal
with them if you all want these groups to go anywhere.
> You
>need to breathe deeply or something.
No, I need to let you all wallow and whine if you wish,
I am done with it.
But I could not sit there and watch people proposing
a group AGAIN that has
already been done and blame the "group" or its creator
because of their own
inaction and jealousy because of "who" started it. It
is NOT MY GROUP, how
many times do you need to hear this? Go there and MAKE
it a good group. At
least cross post to alt.astrology and when cynics post
there use the
charter to comnplain to their servers-THATS THE BEST
YOU ARE EVER GOING TO
DO!!! THE REST OF THIS DISCUSSION IS IRRELEVENT AND A
WASTE OF TIME. Or
create a group that is moderated, volunteer to moderate
it and END OF SUBJECT.
>I removed alt.skeptic from my post. If you had posted
in order after
>me, it would have been gone. You chose to go back and
post after the
>skeptics and didn't remove their header. How can you
do something
>like that and claim that I am more gullible?
More nitpicking and whining. Because they needed to see
that a charter was
already made with regard to what they were arguing with.
It is now off,
where's the problem? I was not inviting comment from
ANYONE I was simply
posting an informative post-it had been originally posted
that way about
the "new group" and I was informing those who saw the
initial post so
crossposted that the whole PROPOSAL WAS BULL. You are
pretty defensive you
know? You insist on discussing what I am-well thats why
I am getting off,
because I am not "doing" anything except trying to inform
you of your
options-besides what I am is IRRELEVENT to what you can
apply yourself to
or do-spend more time with those applications.
> (Which is probably true,
>but not in that example) :^)
>My pragmatic action has been to (with two exceptions)
ignore them
>completely even when they post inane retorts to my posts.
Or if I
>responded, to address my comments to the group in general.
Great, but I am going to tell you all for the last time-I
watched these
people for 3 years as a lurker before I ever posted,
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
YOU DO THEY WILL BE HERE TRYING TO SPIN AND THWART. You
need all the help
you can get and that means a good charter-which I have
written and is
available via alt.astrology.metapsych. Use it if you
wish, if you don't -oh
well, I gave it my best shot of presenting a way out
of the major problem,
those who don't take it in my opinion have LITTLE ROOM
TO WHINE. I have
nothing to lose or gain by the lot of you doing so.
>That is
>really the kind of organized action that most here have
expressed an
>interest in taking. IMHO you are confusing "pragmatic",
and
>"organized", with "legalistic". It's a matter of choice,
not whining.
I give up-good day and good luck. I don't have all day
again to argue the
same damn points that have been argued ad infinitum.
Do whatever you wish.
--
"So what are you gonna do about it?, you can't live life
and you can't
leave it. Advice on religion you can't take it, you can't
seem to believe
it. The Peacock is afraid to parade, you're under the
thumb of the maid.
You really can't give love in this condition-still you
know that you need it.
Well some will try and knock you and some will try and
clock you-ya know!?
It's really hard to talk sense to you! Troubled child!
Breakin like the
waves at Malibu."
Joni Mitchell "Troubled Child"
Edmond H. Wollmann
http://home.aol.com/ewollmann
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From: Edmond Wollmann <arcturian1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: anonym lies about his name, his life his
Lazzwaldo account his.....
Date: 01 Jun 1998 00:00:00 GMT
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anonymô wrote:
SNIP!
Boy, do you need a wife and/or a life....
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 1998 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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From: Edmond Wollmann <arcturian1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: sherilyn vying for KOTY was Re: Transiting
Pluto square natal Mars -- A Case in Point (was Re: Theenormous FAQ site)
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Nolan wrote:
> In sci.skeptic Edmond Wollmann <wollmann@edmond.hwo>
wrote:
> : Nolan wrote:
> :> In alt.usenet.kooks Edmond Wollmann <arcturian1@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> :> : Nolan wrote:
> :> :> In alt.usenet.kooks Edmond Wollmann <wollmann@mail.sdsu>
wrote:
> :> :> : Sherilyn wrote:
> :> :> :> Enough of your silly trolls. Virtually everyone
you disagree with gets
> :> :> :> labelled a sock puppet,
> :> :> : :-)))))
> :> :> : "A man never discloses his own character so
clearly as when he describes
> :> :> : another's." Jean Paul Richter
> :> :> This applies to you just as much as to anyone
else.
> :> : Duh! Did you have to go to skepticult school to
decipher that?
> :> No.
Thats what I thought.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. add the 1 to mail the Arcturian
© 1998 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
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UPDATED NEWSGROUP CHARTER
For alt.astrology related newsgroup:
alt.astrology metapsych
Here, we have updated charter for a certain newsgroup
on Usenet.
The charter sent with the original control message
upon
creation was unworkable and overly restrictive,
especially in light
of its status as a unmoderated alt.newsgroup. The
previous rules
could only be policed by a moderator, and in the
abscence of an official
moderator, soon became onerous and unenforceable.
Because there
are many negative and censorious persons ("wannabe
moderators")
who are bigoted against free speech, and who abuse
and corrupt the
charter by insisting that others follow it (and
making dramatic, false,
and harmful complaints to service providers), all
while violating the
charter themselves, updating and modifying the language
of this charter
was necessary.The resultant changes provide for
a freer, more mature,
and balanced forum of discussion, and still restrict
the topic,while
maintaining a more workable, enforceable, and less
easily misused and
corrupted set of rules.Indeed, periodic updating
of the charter is seen as
a healthy way to grow a vibrant, relevant, and usable
newsgroup.
This updated charter supersedes the original and
has the blessings of
usenet news and policy administrators and experts
and is made official
by announcement in the appropriate control, bulletin,
and config groups
and storage at ftp.uu.net, ftp.isc.org, and the
website at:
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/9669/
http://www.microserve.com/~dave/aam_charter.html
http://www3.iconz.co.nz/bill/officialaamcharter.htm
http://members.aol.com/macabrus/officialaamcharter.html
http://www.lart.com/officialaamcharter.html
http://www.bcpl.net/~wnidiffe/bamt/aamcharter.html
http://www.databasix.com/officialcharters/alt/astrology/metapsych/charter.html
http://www.keesing-keay.gen.nz/officialaamcharter.htm
Usenet posters insistent on control issues concerning
this topic are free
to create an alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated group
and may post there.
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alt.astrology.metapsych
Created: November 24, 1996, 2:05 am, California,
USA
Superseding Charter version 1.1 modified September
6, 1998, 2:10 a.m., California, USA
This unmoderated newsgroup was proposed and created
for
discussion of the psychological/metaphysical/spiritual
aspects of
astrology and its applications.
For your newsgroups file:
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metaphysically/psychologically/skeptically/spiritually.
=========Charter for alt.astrology.metapsych=========
Charter: This group is for astrologers and students
and critics of astrology or
practicing therapists and psychologists to discuss
aspects of astrology
primarily-but not limited to psychological/metaphysical/spiritual
approaches of counsel and practice. This includes;
1) Personal analysis of horoscopes based on full
data and information.
2) Psychological approaches and remediation methods
in counsel.
3) Psychological fields of approach.
4) Metaphysical and/or spiritual approaches and
their connections.
5) Humanistic, holistic or other modern or otherwise
defined as new age
approaches.
6) The testability and validity of astrological
and psychological systems
Since this group is proposed on the basis of ethical
and respectable
service oriented counsel and astrological application
and discussion,
the following classes of posts are not welcome;
1) Advertisements of any sort .
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simply because of disagreement.
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of this newsgroup.
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posted more than once every six months.
There are no restrictions regarding methods, systems,
criticisms, or philosophies
regarding application techniques. All astrological
applications are
welcome and/or services employing such as a part
of their service.
Skeptical posts and posts containing discussion
of testing and validity of
astrological, psychological, and metaphysical methods
are welcome.
Only by discarding the unworkable and revising theories
to contain what "works" can science
succeed. As astrology is an art/science it must
adhere to the rigors of the scientific method.
Innovative techniques and the integration of related
cross disciplines
to the subject matter are also welcome. Flame wars
and disagreements are a natural
consequence of this type of combination of unmoderated,
free-speech protected
electronic medium, and it is acknowleged that no
newsgroup will ever be completely flame-free.
Flame wars which spill over into private email,
however, are discouraged and alt.astrology.metapsych
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